what's happening and steve touched on this -- i've been trying to remember why we did this. i worked on these issues in the clinton white house. we split them. we had a security public networks working group and e commerce working group. i was one of the two crossover people. why did we split them? who knows. but they've come back together. so you now see issues of cyber security and internet governance. the itu overlapping considerably. and as part of that, you have the control over content issues and you have the issue of transborder data flows, not helped by the snowden revelations, right? every country has the same reaction. we did too. you're going to store my data in some other country, no way, it's got to be here. most countries actually that's their opening position. that's kinds of the debate we're having now. how do you manage -- we're in a period of transition, we're moving to a world where cyber space will be treated like every other space, like the physical land. and how you manage that transition so that we don't lose the key values and yet we can have a more s